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Kalki · Dec 13, 2006, 05:07 AM // 05:07

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Originally Posted by generik

Just because it is called elite doesn't make it elite.

Nobody wants to spend thousands of hours for a shite weapon.

Then don't play DoA, and don't lose too much sleep knowing there's a weapon skin WITH THE SAME EXACT STATS you'll never obtain.

Anarkii · Dec 13, 2006, 05:09 AM // 05:09

15x4 sounds about perfect to me. It should take someone who wants to work/farm for them about 4 weeks to get them, and those who want to buy it about the same as FoW armor.

Bastian · Dec 13, 2006, 05:10 AM // 05:10

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

We are going to continue to monitor the Domain of Anguish. We want this to be the high-end are of the game, of course, and to retain its specialness and its challenge. It's an Elite area, obviously, and in truth we cannot say that it's intended even for the majority of players. But we certainly intend for it, while challenging, to also be a lot of fun! Please continue to share your thoughts and we'll be reading!

QFT.

To all those that are complaining about the difficulty/replay-ability of DoA:

1. Please consider that this is not a part of the game you need to beat.

2. Please keep in mind that there are quite a number of players that are looking for something this difficult in order to present them with a challenging end-game.

3. The items that you are able to receive from the rewards in this mission are really no different than anything you can create from gold items/find on most greens. The only difference is it allows those that take the time to complete the mission a chance to show off the different skins.

While, I can understand the frustration some of you have about a lack of end-game content - the end-game for guild wars can really be found in the name of the game "Guild Wars". There is really nothing inherently related to guilds warring in the PvE content; meaning that for those of you that don't PvP, perhaps you chose the wrong game.

Personally, I do both and have completed chapters/quests/missions with numerous players and still haven't finished nearly as much as I would like to. There is always something to do, you just need to find out what suits your needs. If its not DoA - then do something else. If you can't find something, maybe you chose the wrong game.

geminisaga · Dec 13, 2006, 05:10 AM // 05:10

doa is just fine as it is, its pretty much fun there. now they make double drop, it even make easier than before, also titan gem i believe will drop soon to 30k ish or 50k ish

Spike · Dec 13, 2006, 05:11 AM // 05:11

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Originally Posted by byteme!

So now you're being picky based on your own bias opinion that FoW/UW is fun and DoA isn't. Well since you put things that way. It's obviously your arguments have no merit and I rest my case. You only speak for yourself and absolutely no one else.

So now you're being picky based on your own bias opinion that FoW/UW is'nt fun and DoA is. Well since you put things that way. It's obviously your arguments have no merit and I rest my case. You only speak for yourself and absolutely no one else

Kalki · Dec 13, 2006, 05:13 AM // 05:13

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Originally Posted by generik

Likewise said "some people" are probably teenagers/nerds who live in their parents' basements with no real income to speak of.

Thanks for that insult. I work full-time and pay my bills. And the "go play WoW" comment... sorry I already did. WoW has the worst end-game cause it's all imbalanced. It's not fun to me 1-shotting casual players. On a positive note though at least WoW has an end-game for hardcore players without the whiniest sons of bitches I've ever met.

edit: Looks like your post got deleted by a mod. I guess I shouldn't be replying to trolls anyway.

byteme! · Dec 13, 2006, 05:14 AM // 05:14

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

I certainly don't speak for myself when I saw that DoA isn't fun...read the thread.

No you did not say, "Everyone thinks UW/Fow is more fun then DoA". You said, "FoW and UW are atleast...fun.". Anyways off topic.

strcpy · Dec 13, 2006, 05:16 AM // 05:16

If henchies are worthless and can not make it past the first group of mobs then who cares if they are added? You can not know if henching is possible or not as we do not have the option, if it is as many say impossible then no harm done and you shouldn't care if I waste my time dieing against the first wave.

I rather suspect that it's more what one person said - there will be a way to either clear it or kill enough to farm with them allowing people to bypass groups. For people who only like to group with other people that makes getting groups harder, but it sucks even more if you are like me and refuse to group anyway. I have no option, I can't spend a bit more time, I just write the areas off. However, I'm used to it and have already accepted that as part of the game - it has been that way since prophecies. I have only two end game areas I can realistically enter and play (while I can 55 monk UW and areas of FoW that isn't exploring the areas and taking quests).

I've yet to find any area, mission, or bonus that allows henchies that one can not hench, and after working at a little while hench more consistent than with anything other than a guild group or experienced cookie cutter farming build (it was widely believed to be impossible in ToPK, but we now see how "impossible" that really is).

Of course, DoA is MUCH harder than ToPK - maybe it is finally an area that you can not. But we will never know unless we are allowed them in there and I will not count them out, especially with the new hero system. After all - until the 105 monk build if I told you that I was going to solo the Underworld with a monk what would your response have been?

Gli · Dec 13, 2006, 05:18 AM // 05:18

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Originally Posted by Kalki

Then don't play DoA, and don't lose too much sleep knowing there's a weapon skin WITH THE SAME EXACT STATS you'll never obtain.

Of course I'll obtain it. I'm just going to scalp the market for cheap gems and presto, one day I'll be brandishing the torment weapon of my choice. I could easily buy 15 gems a piece at the going rates, but I'm going to wait for them to drop AND I want to see what all the torment stuff looks like before I commit myself. I'm not going to throw gold at something if might not like.

And if and when I do get some torment equipment, it's going to feel extra special because I didn't waste more than a few hours in those unfun areas.

Lord Ra · Dec 13, 2006, 05:24 AM // 05:24

heres an idea, lets all chip in and buy zinger an ambrace, since he/she obviously wants one handed to him/her anyway. everyone didnt get fow armor in a week or 2, it took time. you seem to pride yourself on answering any question so answer this: Why bother caring? Why post a bunch of crap complaing about this and that and how YOU can't be bothered with it, or have the time or blah blah blah.

You could just say something like: there is no endgame content for the casual gamer in NF. Which is true, their isn't. Once your done with NF there isn't a single thing pve related to do in thats productive. Instead you complain about an area put in the game which clearly isnt made for people of your skill level. 15 of each gem with 2x the drop rate now is actually pretty awsome and reasonable for rare items. Upset you can't get them? Your playing an mmorpg, thats how it goes, you dont get the rarest of the rares handed to you. To get anything you gotta put some work into it.

"but anets sell line was you didnt need to play 24/7 to be competitive." which is pretty much all they said, you don't need to play very much to get max armor/weapons and get valuable skills for your toons. However, people like to show off in mmo's, its the only thing to pride yourself on in pve. THATS what this area is for. This elite area doesn't give me ANYTHING better than anyone else has, just the satisfaction of beating it, then after spending a good amount of time in there, you get rewarded with the choice of an ambrace or coffer or a pretty much useless rit hero. This update will be excelent, it will give the skilled players places to go to get valuable items which they will be able to sell to make some good money or keep to show off. This is a skilled player reward, an alternative to mindnumbing farming which takes no skill at all. I do wish they would have realized the junk my guild and I have been getting in coffers is just straight merchent fodder (2 scrolls and an elixir of valor yay!) before putting it out, but whatever, its a chance you take and why you play the game.

In conclusion: be happy we even got anything, want to complain? go ahead, you just make yourself look like a fool. Make suggestions not complain. Its far more likly to get a positive response.

And yes, this is a giant complaint about people complaining in order to tell to look at it differently or just don't bother posting.

Enchanted Warrior · Dec 13, 2006, 05:24 AM // 05:24

"Improve the quantity of some of the items obtained from the Coffer of Whispers. Now, it's important to note that the Coffer of Whispers is a bit of a game of chance, much like the locked chests throughout the game world. Therefore, there will be a wide variance in the items that you receive. "

Bad news for farmers LOL

Personally I wrote off loot/chests etc... prior to nightfall. Most frequent drops are junk. One plus with nightfall is the collector and weapons dealer items are actually pretty good, stats wise and the overall look.

Kenagalaz · Dec 13, 2006, 05:25 AM // 05:25

hurray for ebay

Zinger314 · Dec 13, 2006, 05:27 AM // 05:27

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Originally Posted by Lord Ra

heres an idea, lets all chip in and buy zinger an ambrace, since he/she obviously wants one handed to him/her anyway. everyone didnt get fow armor in a week or 2, it took time. you seem to pride yourself on answering any question so answer this: Why bother caring? Why post a bunch of crap complaing about this and that and how YOU can't be bothered with it, or have the time or blah blah blah.

Principle. It's insulting that ArenaNet insists on dangling a carrot in front of a mob of hungry rabbits.

Solar Light · Dec 13, 2006, 05:27 AM // 05:27

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We are going to continue to monitor the Domain of Anguish. We want this to be the high-end are of the game, of course, and to retain its specialness and its challenge. It's an Elite area, obviously, and in truth we cannot say that it's intended even for the majority of players. But we certainly intend for it, while challenging, to also be a lot of fun! Please continue to share your thoughts and we'll be reading!

So... does that mean that the majority of players cant even get ONE SINGLE RITUALIST HERO!!!!

*rant*

Ever since i heard of heros, i wanted to use a (primary, dont give me this turn olias secondary crap) rit hero, and to constantly find this denied...

lyra_song · Dec 13, 2006, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by Sable Phoenix

Where is Nightfall's version of Sorrow's Furnace?

Actually im wondering where is the equivalent to the Glint quests.

You could put so many quests high end quests all over Elona.....

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Principle. It's insulting that ArenaNet insists on dangling a carrot in front of a mob of hungry rabbits.

And what's Obsidian Armor been this whole time? How about Gold Trimmed or Silver Trimmed capes? Or new /rank emotes? Or shiny new weapons?

Oh i know....how about cold hard cash for the World Championships?

I really dont see whats so wrong with giving incentives to those who are willing to do what it takes to get it.

It gives people something to do :P

Besides....its not like theres a limited amount of items.

Anarkii · Dec 13, 2006, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Actually im wondering where is the equivalent to the Glint quests.

You could put so many quests high end quests all over Elona.....

The 'Master Difficulty' quests all over the place would serve that purpose I'd think? Some of them are rather well designed.

lyra_song · Dec 13, 2006, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by Anarkii

The 'Master Difficulty' quests all over the place would serve that purpose I'd think? Some of them are rather well designed.

Those aren't repeatable.

Gli · Dec 13, 2006, 05:38 AM // 05:38

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Those aren't repeatable.

The Glint quests aren't either.

Lord Ra · Dec 13, 2006, 05:41 AM // 05:41

I understand why most of you are upset about the difficulty of obtaining the rit hero razah. But in all honesty, rits are pretty much useless seing as basically everything they can do, something else is just as good at. So atleast its not like it being the only monk hero or something =P. But i do understand, they should make his aquisition easier for the average player. Give it time something could allways change.

And lyra, trying to explain basic principles such as those to zinger obviously seems to be uselss...some people just expect everything to be handed to them.

Zinger314 · Dec 13, 2006, 05:42 AM // 05:42

Meh. I give up. Time will tell.

But if DoA even makes it to 3 districts when the changes are instituted, I'll be surprised.